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| Cybertiger |
Posted - 12/10/2008 : 15:14:58
"On the matter of MMR vaccine, faith surpasses reason" * is a quote from Dr Anthony Cox's latest black triangular blogpost.
http://www.blacktriangle.org/blog/?p=1861
Dr Cox PhD is one of the faithfully unwashed in the new age of unreason ... and MMR is his faith. LOL
* This risible Cox saying constitutes the resurrection of CoxWatch ... where the herd watches over the great shepherd with his syringe full of faith, MMR and hopeless unreason.  |
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| Truth Seeker |
Posted - 02/20/2009 : 16:02:53
Whale.to just collects vaccination articles from other writers who have nothing to do with anything else on that site.
Cox and people like Occam just show how desperate they are by having to use the old ploy of ridicule by association rather than debate the articles.
These are ploys of politicians not Scientists, hang your heads in shame.
Vaccinations cause chronic diseases is as fully an accurate things to say as "smoking kills" warnings on cigarette packs. |
| Janet |
Posted - 02/20/2009 : 14:49:53
Clearly the collapse of Brian Deer's story has taken it's toll  hence the desperate smear tactics now in operation!
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| MinorityView |
Posted - 02/20/2009 : 13:33:54
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[i]Originally posted by MinorityView[/i]
[br]Yes, of course Occam. It is perfectly possible to start another legal case while facing a GMC fitness to practice charge. Not unless someone has infinite legal and financial resources.
I'm still waiting for someone to present some of Brian Deer's actual evidence provided to back up his latest accusations. I asked Nikki but she didn't come through. How about you Occam? What did Brian say in his article and what supporting data did he provide?
And here is a great example of a question that hasn't been answered by either of our enlightened interlocutors: Nikki or Occam.
Gosh, I wonder why not?
Aged survivor of many years of alternative health care...and one vaccine, administered by a doctor without the consent of my parents, 50 years ago. |
| Cybertiger |
Posted - 02/20/2009 : 13:09:42
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Originally posted by Cybertiger
You really can't make this gay stuff up ...
Apart from abject slyness on the gayness side, it should also be noted that Dr Cox PhD has also been trying to play the anti-Semitic card with Melanie Phillips over at The Spectator.
Dr Anthony says,
"I strongly recommend that people do visit this site [http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html] in order to see the conspiracy-based thought processes of the anti-vaccine movement (who often refer to this site). Given Melanie's other current journalistic interests, she may be interested to learn that whale.to also contains anti-semitic material such as the Protocol of Zion forgery ..."
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3362116/a-deer-in-the-headlights.thtml#comments
... and then Dr Cox PhD trumps everything with,
"There is no link between MMR vaccine and autism."
I don't think Dr Anthony Royston Cox PhD is very bright ... which is a bit worrying when you consider his pivotal pharmocovigilant role in vaccine safety. |
| Cybertiger |
Posted - 02/20/2009 : 08:04:01
Oh dear, oh, dear, oh deerie me, methinks Dr Cox PhD doth protesth too much ....
http://www.blacktriangle.org/blog/?p=1908
You really can't make this gay stuff up ...
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| MinorityView |
Posted - 02/14/2009 : 13:57:33
Yes, of course Occam. It is perfectly possible to start another legal case while facing a GMC fitness to practice charge. Not unless someone has infinite legal and financial resources.
I'm still waiting for someone to present some of Brian Deer's actual evidence provided to back up his latest accusations. I asked Nikki but she didn't come through. How about you Occam? What did Brian say in his article and what supporting data did he provide?
Aged survivor of many years of alternative health care...and one vaccine, administered by a doctor without the consent of my parents, 50 years ago. |
| Occam48 |
Posted - 02/14/2009 : 13:07:41
To use Mandy's phrase well he would wouldn't he?
Wake me when he conducts a libel case against the Times |
| GUS THE FUSS |
Posted - 02/14/2009 : 12:16:11
occam you should broaden your reading get the narrows of..mind you in your case just keep them on nothing will improve you not even our National Hero Dr Wakefield
He said the Thoughtful House sees more than 2,000 children a year "and is thriving." The ruling "won't influence our research program," he said, holding steadfast to his theories.
You forgot that bit eh??
MMR RIP |
| Occam48 |
Posted - 02/14/2009 : 12:12:46
The point is Guss he's back tracking as quickly as his little legs will carry him, as did 10 of his co-authors, libel where's the libel suit from St A? |
| GUS THE FUSS |
Posted - 02/14/2009 : 12:07:42
Occam and your point is?
so far as the American white wash goeson and on.. you do remember before the memory loss at the Federal courts that The Federal Vaccine Court (i.e. National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program) has compensated many individuals over the last 4 to 5 years. Further, the court has determined there is a causal relationship between hepatitis B vaccination and other adverse outcomes such as Lupus, Scleroderma, arthritis (including Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis), vasculitis, transverse myelitis, brachial plexius neuropathy, optic neuritis, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/Fibromyalgia, Guillain Barre Syndrome, glomuleronephritis, etc., and compensated a multitude of such individuals. That is just Hep B. There will be many others
http://www.whale.to/a/mmr449.html
Families win lawsuit over MMR vaccine
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20030314a7.htm
OSAKA (Kyodo) The government and a research center affiliated with Osaka University were handed a court order Thursday to pay a total of 155 million yen to the families of two children who died or suffered side effects after receiving the MMR vaccine.
http://www.whale.to/a/mmr655.html
Govt, group ordered to pay in vaccine suit
Mrach 2003
Yomiuri Shimbun
The government and the Research Foundation for Microbial Diseases at Osaka University in Suita, Osaka Prefecture, were ordered Thursday to pay 34 million yen to the family of a boy who died after receiving the now-banned measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine in 1991
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20030314wo25.htm
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/vax454.html
35,000 Euro compensation after child loses hearing after being vaccinated
By h.b. - Oct 27, 2008 - 7:11 AM
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/ABELL.ZELLER073008.pdf
US Court Rules In Favour Of Family In MMR Vaccine Case Ben Zeller Jr
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/mmr144.html
Boy awarded $43.1 million
The 7-year-old’s settlement comes under a national vaccine compensation program.
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/ArticleID/8396
September 5, 2007 - WASHINGTON — For the first time, a federal judge last month declared six U.S. defense personnel the definitive winners in a four-year court battle over the anthrax vaccine.
Hannah Poling and doubtless many others.
. so Occam whats your point??eh??
MMR RIP
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| Occam48 |
Posted - 02/14/2009 : 11:26:30
THe Blessed St Andrew has spoken:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5728998.ece
"Andrew Wakefield, who is the subject of a disciplinary inquiry by the General Medical Council, told The Times that he was unrepentant about his theory linking the combined MMR vaccine to bowel disorder s and autism.
But he appeared to distance himself from his infamous Lancet paper on MMR, instead suggesting that his theory stemmed from his own analysis of “safety studies” – a review that has never been peer-reviewed or published."
"Speaking of his MMR claims, Dr Wakefield said: “It’s under investigation. I would absolutely agree it’s not proved. Nor have I ever claimed that it’s proved.”
"Dr Wakefield claims no responsiblity for the fact that one in four children still does not receive the recommended two doses of MMR, adding: “The reemergence of measles is not the consequence of a hypothesis. We did not cause a scare."
Oh No then what the Hell did St A?
"The judge went out of his way to denounce a key colleague of Dr Wakefield at Thoughtful House, Dr Arthur Krigsman, who treated Michelle, for offering medical advice that was “very wrong” and suggested it amounted to “gross medical misjudgment”.
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| Truth Seeker |
Posted - 02/14/2009 : 11:08:01
Uncanny really, switch the word finger for acre.
http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/whowantstobeamillionaire/goldfinger.htm
Vaccinations cause chronic diseases is as fully an accurate things to say as "smoking kills" warnings on cigarette packs. |
| GUS THE FUSS |
Posted - 02/14/2009 : 10:13:46
Goldacre, Cox,and Fitzpatrick are the up and coming "young team" being groomed to take over from Professor Simon Wessely of the HPA
Wessely was part of the first group of quackbusters in Britain the Campaign Agaist Health Fraud, which changed it's name to HealthWatch and is now run by Sense Against Science and the Science Media Centre.
Wessely's platform from the beginning was, there is no such thing as allergy and anyone who said they had it was mentally ill. And there was no such thing as ME and again anyone who said that they had it was mentally ill. During his career he also campaigned against Gulf War veterans, saying again that they were mentally unstable. One of his greatest and most bizarre campaigns suggested that the people of the village of Camelford in Cornwall were not ill from the many tons of aluminium based chemicals inadvertently dropped into their water supply, but that the villagers, many of who died a horrible death suffered from mass hysteria.
Read more, read,Martin Walkes books Dirty Medicine, SKEWED, Brave New World of Zero Risk and Cultural Dwarfs, all available from his site;
www.slingshotpublications.com
MMR RIP
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| Angladrion |
Posted - 02/14/2009 : 06:12:43
My pick is that, "The ends, justify both the means, and the manipscrewlation."
"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.." - Samuel Adams |
| John Stone |
Posted - 02/13/2009 : 23:08:13
I thought I would put the question to him - as a health official - what he thought of Deer holding people's private records. Many hours later he hasn't answered. So, we must assume that he has no difficulty with this, and would gladly hand over our records himself. I think I will write to his employer.
I wonder what Dr Crippen thinks?
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[i]Originally posted by Cybertiger[/i]
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Originally posted by John Stone
I left a respectful comment for him.
Dr Cox will no doubt wriggle and squirm but in the end will admit that he prefers the word of a journalist to that of a highly qualified doctor, an experienced gastroenterological surgeon with a flare for research into inflammatory bowel disease. I believe Deer has a degree in philosophy that was deferred for a year because of his bad behaviour.
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