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Truth Seeker

United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/06/2008 :  13:59:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
See below for the the predicted mealses epidemics that never came true that they have been predicting since 1995
The Fraudulent Measles Epidemic?
By Janine Roberts
http://inquirer.gn.apc.org/fraud.html

We are seeing more measles cases but still no epidemic that has been predicted each year in earnest especially since 1998 and Dr Wakefield.
In 2004 they went as far to say as being "imminent"

Britain could face a measles epidemic by the year 2001, doctors are warning. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/422481.stm

Health officials warn parents of 'imminent' measles epidemic
By Francis Elliott, Deputy Political Editor

Published: 31 October 2004
http://news.independent.co.uk/health/article31275.ece

Measles Epidemic Looms This Winter

A measles epidemic on a scale last seen in the 1960s will hit the UK this winter as a direct consequence of the collapse in MMR uptake, medical newspaper Pulse reports (Monday, October 4).

Computer models predict an epidemic will sweep London imminently and the rest of the country in 2005/6 as background levels of infection reach critical levels.http://www.countrydoctor.co.uk/politics/news/General%20News%20-%20Measles%20epidemic%20soon.htm

laura_c_a

358 Posts

Posted - 01/06/2008 :  19:06:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It may be in part because GPs do not hold records of those immunised with single measles vaccine. I'm reliably informed that all the paperwork relating to my childrens single vaccines - make, product name, batch number and expiry date, time and place of immunisation, by whom etc - have been filed in the GP surgery's bin.

I'm not surprised their predictions of measles epidemics never materialise. I suspect that if the number of children vaccinated with the single vaccine is included within the statistics, the number of children immunised against measles is around the 95% mark.

What they don't realise is that everytime these experts make predictions that don't materialise, their credibility is further eroded, to the point that more and more parents don't believe or at least have doubts over the information provided. This is not a good position for health experts to be in.

Reap what you sow comes to mind.
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john

United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/06/2008 :  22:44:46  Show Profile  Visit john's Homepage  Send john an AOL message  Reply with Quote
good point, just the way they maintain uptake http://www.whale.to/a/epidemic.html

which is mostly to eliminate unvaccinated kids which would embarass them http://www.whale.to/vaccines/high_vaccination_levels.html

eg dam olmsted

herd immuniuty is the buzzword to hide that
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John Stone

United Kingdom
1254 Posts

Posted - 01/07/2008 :  00:24:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another possibility is that measles is actually quite prevalent despite high vaccination rates, and is usually passed over in the developed world as a harmless red rash because presumed eradicated (a parallel would be whooping cough which is quite prevalent but usually undiagnosed for the same reasons).

The HPA are quite proficient at locating outbreaks when they want to (for instance on Fitzpatrick's doorstep during the GMC MMR hearing) but they tend to rather reticent about the vaccination status of the sufferers.
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Squib

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Posted - 01/07/2008 :  17:51:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I feel inclined to agree.
As the measles virus is so very contagious -that explanation may very well be so.

Imagine this scenario (with apology to people from that part of England).

Mother in Pharmacy: 'Er mate! Wots all dez red blotches on my nipper about then?
Pharmacist (not wanting to alarm mother post Dept of Health warnings): Maybe they are just rubeola morbilli rashes.
Has he been a little feverish before this?
Mother: Yeah! datz right. but my mum said it waz measles, like wot I 'ad once.
Pharmacist: Err... yes that right. Rubeola happens to be the latin name for it.
Mother: Dat figures, 'is dad woz latin; er.. well I fink dat one woz 'iz dad. Any-rough! Wot do I do about it den?
Pharmacist: Well there is little point in taking your child to the doctor now, it is a virus which is best left to go away on its own. There is nothing that will clear it up any faster.
Mother: Wot ! Can't 'e prescribe nuffin?
Pharmacist: He might consider giving you a little calamine lotion to stop the itching.
Mother: Da ichin's stopped nah. My reflexologist told me to use yoghurt... work'd a treat! I might ask 'er 'bout diz; see if I'm bovered.
Pharmasit: No no. Calamine lotion to dab on your child's rashes to stop them itching. Tell you what! Rather than you having to wait three or four days to visit the surgery and then pay a hefty prescription charge, I will sell you a bottle now.
Mother: Oh! Awe-wight den, I won't bover wiv' seein' d' quack. Mum said 'e don't know what 'is doin' arf' dah time anyway. Said she woz an alcoholeric, corz she drinks almost as much as he 'imslf doz.
END.

And so another measles case fails to be registered.

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jennyr

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Posted - 01/07/2008 :  18:17:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rather like the Sars epidemic, the bird flu epidemic and other epidemics that are conveniently predicted (by pharma-funded "experts") just before a new vaccine hits the market generating massive sales for drug companies. The funny thing is, despite the wonder vaccine being stockpiled by governments and health authorities, the epidemic never materialises and the health experts quietly forget about it all.

Isn't it strange that when we have a REAL problem (as opposed to a 'predicted epidemic') which really affects thousands of real-life people, such as hospital acquired infection, autism, secondary cancer etc, the health experts can't seem to come up with effective solutions, and all the vaccines in the world don't make a blind bit of difference.

It's so much easier, isn't it, to deal with hypothetical illnesses and patients rather than real-life ones?

I had the most horrible cold recently which ended up being a potentially nasty chest infection. I think it was because I had been working with nursery aged children who had recently been jabbed. I have never had such a bad illness before. As I was worried about a serious secondary infection such as pneumonia or bronchitis, I put myself on antibiotics (get them abroad) because I KNEW that the local GP practice would send me away saying it was 'just' a viral infection - despite not doing any tests at all and therefore not knowing. I probably would have got better anyway, but I had clearly been exposed to a horrible new bug which my immune system wasn't dealing with - and I didn't want to take the risk.

I really do despair about the state of our healthcare system. 'Health experts' love scaring everyone into being jabbed against hypothetical illnesses, but when you genuinely have a real-life illness, they are really useless at dealing with it. What a ridiculous state of affairs.



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Truth Seeker

United Kingdom
978 Posts

Posted - 01/07/2008 :  18:40:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I also expect that in many cases Whooping Cough is misdiagnosed as Croup, Bronchitis or even Asthma occuring in fully vaccinated children but as they been vaccinated the Doctor would disregard this diagnososis.
Jennyr, i agree its like a huge corporate game of illusion and a stage show that is the sickness industry.
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jennyr

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Posted - 01/07/2008 :  18:51:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
On further reflection, dealing with a 'real' illness requires real clinical skill and judgement. A probable diagnosis needs to be made and a treatment programme needs to be agreed. This requires skill, judgement and extensive knowledge of disease and treatments. The clinical progress of the patient has to be followed up, with amendments made to the treatment, based on the patient's response and progress.

Giving a vaccine, on the other hand, is a medical intervention on a healthy patient who does not have a disease. It requires no medical skill, knowledge or expertise. It calls upon no clinical judgement at all. The patient is not ill, and there is no certainty, or even probability, that the patient will ever contract the disease that the vaccine is supposed to prevent. The vaccine may cause another disease altogether, or an adverse reaction - but this will be denied. If the patient does contract the disease that the vaccine was supposed to prevent, it will be diagnosed as something else, to protect the credibility of the vaccine industry.

No wonder our health authorities are so keen on vaccines - a great way to flog pharmaceutical products with absolutely no skill required whatsoever. Also a good way to keep people in thrall of medicine, without the bother of actually having to treat a real-life illness.

Vaccination - a medical treatment for a non-existent illness, no clinical judgement required. Nice work if you can get it!!

Call me cynical? You bet!
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John Stone

United Kingdom
1254 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2008 :  09:12:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Truth Seeker

Just to say that with whooping cough the issue is not even conjectural. The illness is prevalent and the doctors fail to diagnose it because it is presumed eradicated. This is an MRC study published in BMJ in 2006:

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/333/7560/174
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laura_c_a

358 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2008 :  10:46:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There was recently a "serious outbreak" (to quote the words of a local doctor) of measles in a town adjacent to where I live. This "serious outbreak" involved 2 children who made full recoveries with no serious effects whatsoever. Nevertheless, this didn't stop the local health workers contacting all the parents of non combined MMR immunised children, warning them of the impending doom. Although I wasn't contacted by the health workers, I was contacted by a couple of mothers who had been so pressurised that they agreed to allow their 2 year olds to be immunised with the combined MMR. Predictably, their children fell ill within 11 days of the jab and phoned me in utter panic. They had contacted the surgery, but had been fobbed off by the receptionist who said the nurse would phone back. Of course, the nurse never did phone back. So they contacted me instead.

I reassured them. I told them that it was probably the combined MMR jab, it's a common side effect and the vast majority of children are ill for 48 hours before making a full recovery. It's only the unlucky few like my relative who become permanently ill. I was on the phone to them for about 30 minutes. In that time, I managed to extract the information given to them by the health workers.

I also managed to find out which 2 children had caught Measles. And guess what? Yes, both children who had caught measles had been immunised with the combined MMR at 13 months. Did the health workers inform the 2 mothers who contacted me of this fact? No. But it didn't stop them using these cases to frighten the mothers into allowing their children to be immunised with the combined MMR. Utterly disgraceful. And they called themselves "professionals".
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John Stone

United Kingdom
1254 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2008 :  11:03:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If there has been an unpleasant reaction it would be a good idea to avoid further doses.
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laura_c_a

358 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2008 :  12:17:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The point I'm trying to make is that the health workers lied to the parents they contacted by omission and through withholding relevant facts and information pertaining to these 2 measles cases.

The parents who contacted me had declined the offer of the combined MMR at 13 months and decided not to vaccinate their toddlers against measles, rubella and mumps.

The health workers implied that the 2 children who had caught measles were unvaccinated whereas the health workers themselves KNEW that the 2 measles cases HAD been vaccinated with the combined MMR at 13 months. They misled the parents who phoned me. The parents themselves told me that had they known the 2 measles cases had been vaccinated with the combined MMR, they would NO WAY had authorised the immunisation of their own children with the combined MMR. The parents - quite rightly - feel betrayed and cheated. I doubt they'll ever trust these health visitors again. They took advantage of the parents' vulnerability - just as an opportunist thief takes advantage of a situation.

This links back to my other comments on this forum relating to credibility, professionalism and integrity.
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Truth Seeker

United Kingdom
978 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2008 :  15:56:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[i]Originally posted by John Stone[/i]
[br]Truth Seeker

Just to say that with whooping cough the issue is not even conjectural. The illness is prevalent and the doctors fail to diagnose it because it is presumed eradicated. This is an MRC study published in BMJ in 2006:

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/333/7560/174



Thanks for that link, i always suspected this was the case but there is the clear proof.
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John Stone

United Kingdom
1254 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2008 :  16:51:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[i]Originally posted by laura_c_a[/i]
[br]The point I'm trying to make is that the health workers lied to the parents they contacted by omission and through withholding relevant facts and information pertaining to these 2 measles cases.

The parents who contacted me had declined the offer of the combined MMR at 13 months and decided not to vaccinate their toddlers against measles, rubella and mumps.

The health workers implied that the 2 children who had caught measles were unvaccinated whereas the health workers themselves KNEW that the 2 measles cases HAD been vaccinated with the combined MMR at 13 months. They misled the parents who phoned me. The parents themselves told me that had they known the 2 measles cases had been vaccinated with the combined MMR, they would NO WAY had authorised the immunisation of their own children with the combined MMR. The parents - quite rightly - feel betrayed and cheated. I doubt they'll ever trust these health visitors again. They took advantage of the parents' vulnerability - just as an opportunist thief takes advantage of a situation.

This links back to my other comments on this forum relating to credibility, professionalism and integrity.




Laura

That's what I understood.
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laura_c_a

358 Posts

Posted - 01/09/2008 :  10:09:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's worth informing readers of this forum with examples at the lengths some health workers will go to hit those immunisation targets. In this way, if they are ever contacted about the impending doom (as I call it) they can switch off the panic button and ask the health workers some rational and unemotional questions.
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jennyr

417 Posts

Posted - 01/09/2008 :  19:28:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Appalling behaviour. Blind dogma is so scary. But heretics must be punished - this is exactly what has happened here! The disbelievers were right all along - but of course that makes the zealots even angrier, so the disbelievers must be forced to take the medicine that they were rightly so suspicious of. How vindictive. Still, it sounds similar to my own experiences of how the health service really "cares" about protecting the interests of the NHS.

With my own family, I have now come to the conclusion that I will simply not reveal information that they will use to flog their ridiculous agendas. So, for instance, when the nurse was desperate to jab us all before a visit abroad, I said we would be visiting the BA clinic to discuss vaccinations.

And when it came to boosters for the children and the TB jab, I said I would be discussing these issues with a private specialist.

How about a private paediatrician in Europe with a special interest in adverse reactions to vaccines, who happens to be Godfather to all the children, who he genuinely cares about?

Quite frankly, some of the health workers talk so much c**** that I think they deserve to get it flung back with full force, until they clean up their act, that is.



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