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CAMS_BLUE
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 07/18/2008 : 14:44:46
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| I need advice. My son is now 11 and has not had an MMR. The reason being that I have watched my nephew descend into autism after his MMR and I am afraid that whatever susceptibility my sisters son had will be shared by my son. Now I am wondering about giving my son a single measles vaccination as we are going to be living abroad in a place that has a higher incidence of measles than the UK. He is normally healthy, fit and eats well, he is the top of his class, I am terrified of ruining his life by giving him a measles vaccine or by not giving him one. What are the extra risks of contracting measles later in life ie in the teenage years? Do the risks of complications increase with age? Can I deliberately contrive for him to have measles naturally? How would I do that? Does anyone still have measles partys? Does anyone in Scotland know of anywhere to get help??? A lot of questions, hope someone has some guidance for me. Thanks |
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John Stone
United Kingdom
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thomas p
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/18/2008 : 17:03:27
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Dear CAMS_BLUE,
Approximately 1 in 4,000 people who get measles in the UK die (see the Testing thread in this forum). I don't know the odds with the vaccine, but I'll wager that they are much, much lower for both the single measles vaccine and for MMR, otherwise they would never have got approved.
Autism usually manifests itself at about 18 months - 2 years (although it can do so later), so if your son was going to be autistic, he almost certainly would be by now. |
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CAMS_BLUE
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/18/2008 : 17:06:22
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| Dear Thomas p I read a letter from a parent on another website whose 15yr old high achieving son had an MMR and descended into autism and epilepsy. Given my sisters experience I have to get as much infomraiton as I can about what happens to older children both with MMR, single measles vaccines and normal measles. Thanks for your help. |
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jabsadmin
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Posted - 07/18/2008 : 17:21:40
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Hi CAMS_BLUE, I can fully understand your concerns and although JABS cannot give medical advice, as we are a parent support group for parents rather than medics, I would be happy to talk through your options if that would help. Given his age I don't think you should try to find a way for him to catch measles naturally.
If you would like to discuss this at length please either follow John's suggestion (thanks John) or email me at jackie@jabs.org.uk with your telephone number and I'll call you.
I hope this helps.
Jackie
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thomas p
United Kingdom
314 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2008 : 17:32:47
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Dear CAMS_BLUE,
There are anecdotes with all manner of claims all over the internet, however I can perfectly understand your concern (even though I wouldn't share it myself).
Have you talked to your doctor about this? As Jackie so rightly says, both here and in the FAQ, this isn't the place (in fact, pretty much the entire internet isn't the place) for medical advice.
Good luck, which ever option you pursue. |
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whatif
USA
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Posted - 07/18/2008 : 17:55:09
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Sadly thomas p's figures our antiquated and don't include figuring simple dosage of Vit. A has been shown to cut measles mortality and serious moribidity by 50%. They also can't figure in subclinical measles of which studies have shown people who got subclinical (didn't even know you got it) measles without known exposure to measles and seroconverted to "protective" antibody levels.
So, we have ~ 5,000 cases in the U.S. omnibus hearing, which would be 50 years of measles deaths according to thomas p's post on the testing thread.
VAERS data might give you some insight into the vaccine risk. Much more than the trial data that has no external validity to 95% of the population and we know VAERS would be the best U.S. data for post-market surveillance and it is known that perhaps only 10% of reactions are reported.
Try that for some informed balance consent rather than thomas p's antiquated data which includes nothing of the treatment etc.
Let us not forget the ~ 90,000 measles cases in Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Romania in 2005 - 2006 despite 95 - 99.5 % vaccine coverage and the fact that places like Africa have gone from 1.25 million cases to ~ 200,000 cases whilst never barely getting above 50% coverage. Things thomas p would not like you to know.
Off for a week on a houseboat on Lake Powell...I'll catch up with you all when I return...keep up the good work John Stone, Rosemary, CyberTiger, Jackie and John, Gus, Joan, Seonaid and the like.
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Occam48
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Posted - 07/18/2008 : 18:11:31
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Dear CamsBlue
Please get qualified medical advice, as I am certain you will have, suggest you contact the pathology dept at your local hospital, try Consultant Microbiologist or Immunologist to start off with to point you in the right direction for specialist advice, GP/Health Visitor probably isn't sufficiently experienced to deal with your particular circumstances |
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John Stone
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/18/2008 : 18:25:47
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CAM BLUE
While I certainly think you should get all the expert advice you can I would point out that for Thomas P and Occam it is an article of faith (I would be pleased to be corrected on this) that there is no connection between what happened to your nephew and vaccination, so you need to decide how plausible they are, or anyone is, who takes a strong line on this. |
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Suba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/18/2008 : 18:55:45
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Hi CAMS_BLUE,
A factor worth considering is the fact that any measles vaccination does not guarantee life long immunity. The scaremongering medical propagandists know this and increasingly are suggesting repeated vaccinations of MMR vaccines within years and even months to try and prevent the measles outbreaks they are able to create by injecting live virus into people, duh! This has the advantage for brainwashing and allaying fears with the uninformed in the dangers of vaccinations because they claim repeated vaccination is safe. But few if any adverse reactions get reported and there is no vaccine damage compensation, period. The pharmaceuticals are offered immunity from prosecution and can literally harm as many children as they like; and they do with great aplomb! Natural exposure to measles can offer life long protection and indeed in the Faroe Islands they succeeded up until 1846 to eradicate measles completely with natural exposure. This could be achieved to day in the developed world with hygiene, nutrition and isolation of measles cases during the small infectious period.
Sadly now parents are seeing their children needlessly damaged for a pathetic cause which has more to do with voodoo than health care.
Vaccinated children now have a higher risk of allergies, asthma, diabetes and ASD spectrum disorders to name but a few. Cancer and MS have exploded in the so called modern world. In reality we are backward stepping into the future with blindfolds on.
If you vaccinate you child you will have to continue vaccinating for the previous vaccinations to work so repeated vaccination risk taking stacks up the odds against your child.
Use your instinct and not the pathetic pharma trollops that get paid to give you bull biscuits. They must be the most lowly pathetic creatures on planet earth.
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Suba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/18/2008 : 19:26:43
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Oh! and lets not forget the toxins. Sadly there are vaccine developers who suggest that little children who are still developing can be vaccinated an infinite amount of times. Matter can not be subjected to infinity especially the liver. It is the liver that fuels life. If you contaminate the liver you are taking life itself in small or large amounts. It is the liver that generates the reaction to virus and a healthy liver with a store of vitamin A and C will decimate any benign childhood virus such as measles. A rather pathetic disease. It is interesting that toxicity tests done for vaccine damage by allopaths concern the blood only. Toxins accumulate in the liver and then body tissue if liver is unable to cope. The blood is the last place to look for vaccine toxins.
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Cybertiger
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/18/2008 : 19:36:03
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The badscientists are disturbed ...
http://www.badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5682
... and our little friend 'tom p' is disturbing ... read and weep ... for the stupidity ...
http://www.badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5682&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=15#p98829
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tom p on Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:52 pm
Nah, I don't think that Jackie is a bad person or a lunatic, unlike struthers and his ilk.
It's the BBC always linking to JABS which is the real problem, that and the nasty, stupid and dishonest ****bags who hang around there telling lies to conerned parents. If JABS were to do away with the douchebags and stop obsessing over wakefield, then their campaign would be eminently supportable.
Vaccines provide a huge social benefit and parents vaccinating their children are not only helping their kids but others too, so the state has a duty, in my view, to err on the side of generosity when dealing with claims for vaccine side-effects (although not to the extent of believing in teh munki viruzzez) and make substantial no-fault payouts where necessary based on a reasonably low balance of probability. That way confidence in the system remains high because we know that we'll be looked after if anything goes wrong.
Even though the chances of serious adverse effects are lower than those of serious sequelae with the illness, we should still do all we can to ensure the highest possible confidence in the system. It's the same with soldiers, they put their lives on the line for the country (whether the people of the country want them to or not) and in return they expect that they and/or their families will be looked after in the event of their death or serious injury.
Little 'tom tit' claims to work in pharmacovigilance and therefore claims to be keeping our children safe. Please weep some more ...
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Occam48
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Posted - 07/18/2008 : 19:41:24
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CamsBlue,
There is no easy answer to your question, but please ignore the pseudoscientific nonsense you see on this (& other internet sites). Get qualified medical advice, there's a link here to a site give some information on genetics & autism, but to repeat there is no simple answer to your issue, here's the link to a US site giving information on genetics & autism
http://www.exploringautism.org/genetics/index.htm |
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CAMS_BLUE
United Kingdom
6 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2008 : 21:09:00
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| Hi everyone and thanks for all your opinions. I am not going to ignore any information I get access to, whether it is anecdotal or scientifically based, issued by the goverment, the medical world, parents or the pharmaceutical manufacturers. I just want to avoid a onesided set of data. In my opinion, all sources of information and experience are valid, and worth further investigation. I will use my intelligence to determine which I feel are ultimately going to be factors that influence my decision. I cannot make a decision in an informational void, so I thank everyone who is helping me, whatever their stance! SO please keep it coming. At the same time I am getting my poor sister to relive her son's early years so I can check any parallels and am trying to get the info from the doctor about the composition of the Rouvax measles vac. Of course I have already discussed with my GP whose position is that the MMR is the only option available and that there is no reason to fear it. He was dismissive of my need for further information - I concluded that he has little interest in my individual circumstances and is only able to deal with the topic in a general way (hence his title I suppose!). Still lots of time, so lots more places to seek more knowledge ... |
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oscars mum
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/18/2008 : 21:19:29
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good luck! I know how you feel. I'm just trying to gather as much information as I can and hope I feel confident to make the right decision for my son. Its so difficult.
oscars mum |
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CAMS_BLUE
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/18/2008 : 22:15:02
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| hi Oscars mum Thanks and good luck to you too. I have plenty of friends who have just gone along for an MMR without a second thought. So far all have been fine. I just worry more because I have seen first hand how quickly it can all go wrong, and it is very close to home. |
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Older child unvaccinated, what are the risks?
